Phaeton :: 2006 V8 - All Dashboard Lights Come Up Upon Turn Of Key / Low Voltage Error


Sep 15, 2013

My 2006 V8 has starting problems since a few days ago.

After the problem occurred I was able to start the car using the right/left/right key turn but this worked only one time. Further attempts did not work. Upon the turn of the key all the dashboard lights would come up, the voltage appeared to come up over 12 volts but no joy on turning over the starter.

Vag Com scans on this car always showed some low voltage errors and the left side battery was old so I replaced the left side battery, something I had intended to do before too long anyway. After replacing the left side battery the car started once, not as it should but again using the right/left/right key sequence. I drove the car around the block and all seemed well, but after shutting it off, the same symptoms reappeared, no start...

Another poster had similar problems and it turned out to be relay 433 in the right side plenum relay/fuse box. I replaced this relay with a known good one, no change in the symptoms.

I disconnected the negative post of the starter battery, again after reading of another poster's experience, and the car starts right up ! Reconnecting the starter battery brings back the no start behavior.

I have no reason to suspect the starter battery, voltage is 12.6 or so...

Attached is a scan done on the car after installing the new left side battery:

Chassis Type: 3D - VW Phaeton

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