Toyota - 4runner :: Starter Eventually Engages And Cranks 2 Or 3 Times But Engine Does Not Turn Over


Apr 4, 2013

During the cold snap over the last few months, my 1997 Toyota 4Runner has been having starting problems with the following symptoms in this order:

I turn the key and nothing happens.
I keep turning the key from off to start, and the starter eventually engages and cranks 2 or 3 times, but the engine does not turn over.
I keep trying and the starter engages and keeps cranking even after I turn the key off.
I panic, and turn the key on and off until the starter stops cranking.
I try a few more times and the starter cranks and the engine catches, but lugs until I pump a little gas.
Really weird thing. Occasionally, after the above sequence, the emergency brake light stays on even though the brake handle has been disengaged, and it feels like I have no power, then the light goes out and the car runs just fine.

The problem in intermittent. Cold seems to cause it although it doesn't cause it every time. Rain may be a factor as well. Sometimes, I only have to turn the key a few times, and then the starter will engage. I changed the battery after the trouble began, and it cranks well if and when the starter engages.

Up until this I have not had a day's trouble with this vehicle other than a little belt squeaking.

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