Multiple Sclerosis :: Incontinence - Start Losing Control Of My Bladder


Oct 6, 2014

I'm a newbie and this is my first post to the MS board. I've been lurking here for years and I finally am reaching out to try to help find support and guidance from people who may be suffering like me.

I have not been diagnosed with MS, but it's definitely now becoming an area in which I'm exploring the possibilities that it could be. I have an abundance of symptoms and I will be posting a more detailed post on those symptoms once I get it written up.

In the meantime, has or does anyone know if this could be a symptom of MS or have those who are dx with MS ever have this happen to you?

It appears that I have "flare ups" that seem to appear every few weeks and other flare ups that occur every few months. Meaning I start having marked increase in my symptoms such as pain, cognitive, depression, etc., but also urinary incontinence. What happens is I will be fine with the bladder issues for weeks or a few months. Then when I have a flare up with say increased pain, I will start losing control of my bladder. It will happen day or night and can last for a couple of days or a couple of weeks. I will literally stand up to go pee and it just starts to flow heavily like a faucet where I'm standing. I know I'm peeing and I can't stop it at all. Not even like a little dripping, it's complete emptying of my bladder like a faucet on the spot. It has woken me up and I find myself standing at my bedroom door not able to move and urinating myself. It's an awful feeling. It's happened at my friends backyard so it doesn't matter where I am. However, it can then go away and I think, ok maybe I was just not feeling well. But now that it's happened a couple of times over the last year and reading about urinary incontinence, I'm curious if anyone else has experienced something like this? Then I could be fine for weeks or months until another flare up develops and it may happen again. Sometimes my flare ups don't result in incontinence and maybe effects something else like my ability to form sentences or finding words or stuttering a bit. And other times I get incontinence too.

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