Lexus LS 2007+ :: LS460(L) Sometimes Takes Three Attempts To Get Started


Aug 24, 2012

My LS460 L (2008) is having startup problems. I press the startup button but doesn't always start and sometimes it takes three attempts to get started. I took it to the dealer in Saudi (ALJ) and they changed the battery and did a full check but couldn't figure the problem. The problem is intermittent.

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