Camry :: 2003 - Awful Grinding Noise At Low Speeds


Mar 20, 2014

I'm going to start tearing into my wife's car this weekend because the bearings are making an awful grinding noise at low speeds, so I feel like this needs to be done soon.

I bought from rockauto new hubs and bearings, but looking at them, it seems like the bearing goes over the outside of a shaft on the hub. Other that than, I'm not really sure how it all goes together until I look.

Just curious as to whether this can be done without a press or any special tools? I have an impact gun and all the sockets one could need, but I don't have a hub puller or bearing press or anything like that.

I've done a bunch of searches but can't seem to really find the answers I'm looking for...

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