Ford A/C :: 1996 F350 - Air Coming Out Warmed Up To Ambient Temperature


Jul 11, 2009

I have a 96 F350 Crewcab longbed 4x4 and about a week ago I noticed that at idle speed (ie stopping at a stop light) the temperature of the air coming out of the A/C warmed up to ambient temperature. When I accelerated and held highway speed the air would cool back down. i listened for the clutch to engage and it would engage for 1 second and then disengage for 5 seconds. i hooked up one of those cheap gauges from auto zone. With the truck running the clutch would engage at 40 stay on until it went to 20 and the shut off. Also the A/C has completely quit cooling. By the way its HOT here.

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I noticed the problem now, because I wanted to test the electric cooling fan (part 8D0 959 455 R). I want to test it because I have changed the carbon brushes that was worn out in the motor. The fan is now reinstalled in the car and just waiting for some voltage through the standard wire harness. To make this fan spin I figured I could just activate the A/C compressor by setting the Climatronic in "LO" (no ECON). Because it is below freezing outside, I drove my car inside a heated parking garage and let it stay there for an hour or two. For some reason the A/C compressor does not start when I go "LO", even if the car is warm and placed in a warm environment. I noticed that the outside air temperature indicator in the instrument panel and on Climatronic LCD-display showed -3 'Celcius (Just below 32 'F).

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